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Kinda of Continuation of My earlier comment: It i...

2011-12-10T19:38:46.161-08:00

Kinda of Continuation of My earlier comment:

It is so wonderful to see America interested in something other than Football and Basketball. I have waited for this "awakening" all my life.

Ian McGilchrist this issue from a non-religious angle:

“McGhilchrist observes that early on in a culture’s development (e.g. Greek, Roman, Post Renaissance Western ), a balance between the hemispheric modes of processing creates genuinely innovative and vibrant cultural progress”

McGhilchrist claiming that western society is not creating “genuinely innovative and vibrant cultural progress”?

Here is how I see the requirements for “genuinely innovative and vibrant cultural progress”

1. Right brain’s goal should be infinity (eternal life, eternal peace, infinite knowledge, eternal harmony, infinite beauty, infinite love, infinite abundance of everything good, infinite justice, etc.)

2. The Left brain should serve the above goal the best it can in this material world. As our knowledge increases (of course the right brain and left brain work together to increase knowledge). But it is the right brain which comes up with new ideas/models and the left brain performs the laboratory experiment to determine if the new idea will achieve the goal (point number #1 above). The left brain is the “implementer”. The right brain is however the judge and judges if the “new construction” in the material world has come a step closer to the goal stated in point number one above.

3. For proper “motivation” the right brain must believe that #1 is possible! It must envision heaven and really believe it exists.

4. The right brain knows that the goal cannot be reached in this world but that is ok because death is just a “phase transition”.

more at http://liminalhack.wordpress.com/2011/02/06/devils-advocate/#comment-193

Also:

Here is how I see the left/right stuff:

Left:

1. Logical and Disciplined
2. Helps us to deal with the material world (hunger, need for water, shelter, etc.)
3. Embodies Discipline (the goods and services production process, the Judicial System, the Military)
4. Embodies physics and physical laws
5. Uses strict hierarchy
6. This is the focus of the old testament (eye for an eye!)
7. Symbolized by the Roman Empire and focus of Greek thought
8. Symbolized by the state (as opposed to the individual!)
9. Embodies submission and compliance (Opposite of freedom!)
10. Cold, strict and impersonal (opposite of warm, flexible and forgiving!)
11. Focuses on this life (as opposed to a possible after life!)
12. Has a difficult time with coming up with new models or theories or ways of solving problems
13. The left brain will take a civilization over a cliff when the civilization encounters a problem requiring adjustment to the models executing (like a computer executes code) in the left brain if not restrained by the more “flexible” right brain

Right:

1. Creative and Imaginative and Artistic
2. Able to come up with fresh approaches, new models and new theories and new ways of thinking about the natural world
3. Embodies emotion (love and hate), falling in love, patriotism, empathy, motivation
4. Is able to increase the spirit, the desire to live, the desire to fight, the desire to carry on
5. Is able to conceive of infinity (in time and space) and even in power (able to conceive omnipotence)
6. Wants to procreate (one way to defeat death in a sense!)
7. This is the focus of the New Testament (mercy and forgiveness!)
8. Symbolized by the Persian Empire and focus of much of eastern thought
9. Focuses on the individual and freedom of the individual
10. Is in control of person’s free will
11. Is able to conceive of and focus on after life

I will go a step further and say that:

It is the right brain which guides and teaches the left brain. But left helps to keep the right nourished and healthy on the physical level.

Mansoor H. Khan

Robert Bonomo, Yes. A return to spirituality is t...

2011-12-10T19:14:08.042-08:00

Robert Bonomo,

Yes. A return to spirituality is the key. One thousand years ago the west was the opposite of what it is now (shun the world, focus only on spirituality, it was a "bad" thing to be a businessman, the best thing to do was to be a monk, logic and reasoning was considered to be in conflict with faith).

Thomas Aquinas changed that. He proclaimed: "There is no conflict between faith and reason."

This is how the West's March to less-spirituality started.

It was not Greece -- Rome -- Enlightenment.

It was:

Greece - Rome - Collapse of Rome - Rise of Christianity - Reformation of the Church - back to Greece with ever lesser and lesser Christianity as time has passed on (which is of course the problem). The balance between focus on this world vs. focus on the next world was not maintained in the west.

It is now the job of the Muslims to help Christians focus back on God (How ironic?).

It was the Muslim Civilization which inspired Thomas Aquinas to help re-balance Christianity to be "more involved in the world" and not shun the world.

Irony of ironies Islam will help the west get back on track to god (inshallah).

Mansoor H. Khan

Here is how the banker's game works: http://a...

2011-12-10T19:00:46.564-08:00

Here is how the banker's game works:

http://aquinums-razor.blogspot.com/2011/11/here-is-how-bankers-game-works.html

"Many look at the twentieth century as a time...

2011-11-26T06:30:54.887-08:00

"Many look at the twentieth century as a time of great economic and technical advance, but history, while recognizing the the technical innovation, will condemn this century as the most vile in man’s history. The miracle that began in Greece, expanded in Rome, flourished in the Renaissance & Enlightenment and finally found its modern form in the western liberal democracy has been been gutted by a century of materialism, enslavement, slaughter and greed."

Amen.

Hi Robert, Nice blog you have. I liked this paragr...

2011-11-08T18:02:09.984-08:00

Hi Robert, Nice blog you have. I liked this paragraph best : "The enlightened conscious man needs no school to raise his children, no church to know his God, no banker to validate his work and no government to choose his enemies. He is free to do as he pleases, when he pleases and how he pleases....etc"

Not so certain that free money is absurd. It's just a hard idea to think about when we are so heavily conditioned towards the present view of money. David Graeber's, 'Debt, the first 5000 years' opens up thinking on that subject.

A very thoughtful piece there, Robert. I quite agr...

2011-11-06T15:16:09.696-08:00

A very thoughtful piece there, Robert. I quite agree with you that 'enlightend disengagement' is the free-flowing ideological concept to promote.
To disengage, tune out, and block the daily propagandized scripture presentations of the media from one's leisure time.
To seek the resonances in daily life that make one happy or content actually slims down the once thought necessary things in life...a simple change of stimuli that revitalizes curiosity in one, and replaces the venetian-like carnival mask society forces us all to wear. I am not at home the person I am at work.
At work, I am an automaton, programmed and unveering of the script, lest I lose my income. At home the mask comes off, the door shuts and I am in my personal vacuum, protected from societal lies and corruption. Others go home, and the mask stays on, with windows wide open, and the silver screened box smiling orwellian.
My country will be the last to fall, because its people are addicted to their serfdom, have been so for centuries; and alsthough the chance came 300 years ago to follow the process which your own country and that of France underwent at that time, the fear of losing their chains kept them still and silent.
These really are times that try men's souls.

@R. Bonomo Hope you're right. He faces perso...

2011-10-31T17:09:10.794-07:00

@R. Bonomo

Hope you're right. He faces personal danger if he wins!

Dr. Paul is like one of those magical horses you p...

2011-10-31T16:24:40.734-07:00

Dr. Paul is like one of those magical horses you put all your money on, in the last race, and just as you are ready to turn for the door, you realize he is in third place coming into the home stretch, and closing in quickly on number two. You grit your teeth and hope.

Bachmann, then Perry, and now Cain, all burned out quickly, just as the veteran medical man would have wanted. Does the national media have the stones to put on a debate between Mitt Romney and Dr. Paul on national television? Americans are not as gullible as they would like to think, and when people realize that Ron Paul's strongest supporters are the Occupy Wall Street folks, out the window goes their two party, divide and conquer charade. This fight ain't over, time to do a quick shot and jump in.

PPS. You, the author, obviously read these comment...

2011-10-31T14:57:36.585-07:00

PPS. You, the author, obviously read these comments. Perhaps you might speculate on the World According to Paul!

He has some some mighty powerful ideas. Rumors regarding Kennedy would suggest that Paul's future may similarly not be very bright or long!

A shame!!

How surprising! Most of he comments that you recei...

2011-10-31T14:48:49.441-07:00

How surprising! Most of he comments that you receive reveal that Anonymous still lives, embedded in the invention of another.

It's hard to let go.

Nice article. Not new to me...been living an "...

2011-10-31T14:35:07.946-07:00

Nice article. Not new to me...been living an "enlightened disengaged" life as described for my entire sixty thirteen years. It has been excessively rewarding.

Humans are typically herd animals except for the odd ten percent as noted. While noting, note that that ten percent, under human(e) husbandry, are usually "neutralized".

History proves, that only a seminal event will instigate relevant change.

Whatever occurs, let us hope that our humanity is regained.

“Why is there a world ‘economic’ crisis? Is it a ...

2011-10-31T04:39:24.565-07:00

“Why is there a world ‘economic’ crisis? Is it a lack of able-bodied workers, natural resources, factories, or infrastructure? Absolutely not. It's a lack of liquidity and/or too much debt”
Our fiat paper currencies are a debt to the private central bank that prints them.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/22/us-euroz...

2011-10-22T15:59:29.012-07:00

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/22/us-eurozone-idUSTRE79I0IC20111022

Why don't you get into Wilhelm Reich and Syste...

2011-10-21T03:23:57.377-07:00

Why don't you get into Wilhelm Reich and Systems Thinking and System Dynamics?
The structures, no the overused and very simple word "System," includes ALL OF US. So blaming others, like they do in soccer when one team is wining and slow the game or throw balls out of the field, is already a complete deception of the (stupid and perverse) human nature, unlike the normal nature is simply implacable but no perverse (like the Human Nature.)

Jeeze, between these great, inspiring articles and...

2011-10-19T00:33:24.563-07:00

Jeeze, between these great, inspiring articles and the quality comments after each article too (like Fred's just above mine here), I told all my friends to read this article especially, more than once. There's almost too much to soak in, not to mention that's all I could think about for some hours after reading it. Anyway, it's nice to know the name of about the only actual "religion" I've been practicing now for some years. You called it "enlightened disengagement". I don't know about the enlightened part (in my case) but it sure sounds good. I'm glad I found this place. Thanks....

Thank you for a great article! I also came from Le...

2011-10-15T04:49:41.634-07:00

Thank you for a great article! I also came from Les' Petri Dish. I agree with most of what you write, but I have a problem with the "follow all laws and pay all taxes" part of it. For me to have a pleasant life right NOW, and have the opportunity to help people, I can not follow all laws and pay all taxes. I see the point in not giving the authorities any reason to put you in jail or steal your assets. Just don't break any serious laws, but only those necessary to make life a little easier. Things to small to go to jail. If everyone just broke the laws they did not agree with, like some already do, we would at least act like free people. Not children afraid to get disiplined. Big Brother watching is a lie in one way, because we are just to many people to all be constantly monitored. Don't poke your head out. They will never catch you, except if you are unlucky or ratted out. To investigate is very costly, think about a detectives wages. Be smart and understand the system, and support yourself, friend and family, without getting to visible to the authorities. Be ethical not lawful. Don't steal from people or rob people, provide a service or product of the grid. Let the gut feeling guide you. You can be free, but that means you have to be smart, because you must deal with the consequenses of your actions. Be a sophisticated criminal. No law. No crime.

Love and Light!!!

Thank you for this most thoughtful and thought pro...

2011-10-14T13:49:50.022-07:00

Thank you for this most thoughtful and thought provoking analysis.
I think that throwing the TV out would be almost 80% of any change necessary.
I'll leave the solution to the economic mess to others more qualified, but Bill Still has a very enticing argument for debtless government issued money, following up with non-fractional reserve banking. He's apparently to be a Libertarian candidate.
On the whole, I agree with the drop-out solution.
Know your neighbors, grow some food, volunteer in your community, spend only what you have.
On a more comfortable note, I found 5 of my faves on your list of music selections, so you must be have a pretty good spirit in my eyes!
Great read, thanks for the energy!
Landed from Les' Petri Dish

Superb writing, thank you. Found this via Activist...

2011-10-14T05:35:20.041-07:00

Superb writing, thank you. Found this via Activist Post and really enjoyed it.

Dear Robert "good man", Thanks for post...

2011-10-14T04:03:53.377-07:00

Dear Robert "good man",

Thanks for posting my comment and replying. Post this one only if you wish.

About the thought exercise, point taken, though I must still disagree with your conclusion. The economy would prosper in the nano short-term, but collapse under so much meaninglessness promptly. Weimar-like inflation would take hours to set in if everybody were suddenly loaded with cash. Indeed, it is exactly what has happened, under the same supposition, and look where we are. In fact, this system of free meaningless money, otherwise known as the anglo-american banking system, has created so much prosperity, but for so few, that they have gained the economic power to usurp political on earth. These usurpers must then usurp martial power to protect their ill-gotten livelihoods at any and all costs, regardless. Unfortunately, this free wealth did not motivate the masses, but caused them to give up, sell, their most valued faculty, that of free thought. You mention it yourself. Only work itself can liberate us, preferable for its own sake.

About Ron Paul, experience has taught me to distrust politicians and all of their syrupy exhortations for the very reasons you wrote in the article. If he were what he says he is, I assume he would be assasinated early in his tenure, causing the US to go irretrievably over the edge. He has not the power to disrupt a system much larger than himself and bent on implosion through iniquity and corruption. Either he plays the ballgame, or he dies. All good men are in imminent danger of assasination. These are contrary times where the truth is subjugated to propaganda, as you so eloquently noted. But that is not unique. The world was once decreed flat, dissent punishable by death.

In my assessment, we have no salvation as a civilization. The problem is one of bigness. It is simply too big and therefore real information too sparse, propaganda too widely propagated, humanity too thoroughly manipulated. That is the secret of North Dakota. Small. Lenders know borrowers personally. Only local ownership. I believe humans can only live peacefully in independent pockets, but, that's not globalization, is it? So, in my opinion, vote for whom you will, we are doomed. Fatalistic? Not really, more like the phoenix. Salvation will only come when we are chopped down to size, and so I welcome that eventuality. Living under these current conditions is not life at all.

Perhaps you come to similar conclusions in your book. I will consider checking it out.

Sincerely,

Ruben
in exile in Germany.

Thanks for the thoughtful comment. I agree entire...

2011-10-13T19:41:18.841-07:00

Thanks for the thoughtful comment.

I agree entirely, free money is absurd, I hope I made that clear. I was just using the "thought experiment" to get across the point that the debt is not real, and neither is the money. Real money, loaned, is not a problem.

"This is not to say that creating money out of thin air and giving it away is the answer, but it does point out that the entire crisis is abstract and contrived."

You are entirely correct when you say "The current debt crisis is, in essence, free money."

Regarding Ron Paul, I firmly believe a vote for Ron Paul is a vote against all the evils discussed above...I would even go so far as to encourage everyone who has gone beyond the two party charade, to hold their noses, register as a Republican, and vote for Dr. Paul in the primaries. (Immediately after voting for him, burn card and take a shower...) He terrifies them: close the bases, end the wars, end the corporate subsidies. They cannot, under any circumstances, allow this man to become president, that is why we must not only vote for him, but evangelize for him.

I liked your article, but the example of free mone...

2011-10-13T13:53:51.626-07:00

I liked your article, but the example of free money is absurd. Free money would not cause happiness, but further endebtedment. The current debt crisis is, in essence, free money. Also, if you preach enlightened disengagement, why do you support Ron Paul? I have been practicing enlightened disengagement for 10 years, and though I like Ron Paul the best of all the possible candidates, by no means do I trust that he will resolve anything.